Thinking about getting a small Eldar starter army

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Thinking about getting a small Eldar starter army

Postby Krymson86 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:30 am

So as the title says, I'm thinking of getting a small army (at the moment I have Space Marines/Black Templar). I'm aware that the Eldar have a pretty steep learning curve, but the models just look so awesome I want to field them.

Now since I'm only going to be looking at getting maybe 1000-1500 points worth of units at first, I'm wondering what units I should be looking at.

As a note, I'm probably looking more at a "fun" army, as opposed to a really competitive army (also, spending the money to get the 'required' number of Wave Serpents isn't an option at the moment').

I'm thinking the actual Eldar starter box is kind of useless, or just doesn't contain a lot of units I want.

I have a pdf of the Eldar codex and I'm looking to get Swooping Hawks, Fire Dragons and possibly even some Wraithguard. And if I really like playing with Eldar, probably pick up a Fire Prism or two and then maybe invest in the needed Wave Serpentsn for transport.

As for troops, I'm thinking maybe one large (15) squad of Guardians w/ weapon platform and then a squad of Dire Avengers.

I'm thinking either a generic Autarch or maybe (just because his model is so cool) Baharroth the Swooping Hawk Phoenix Lord.

Any advice, or suggestions would be great. Thanks.
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Re: Thinking about getting a small Eldar starter army

Postby AutarchDan » Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:44 am

If you want to go with hawks at around 1000 points i'd take an autarch over the phoenix lord. He's half the cost and improves your reserve rolls so you can deepstike more often. You could also give him wings, a fusion gun and power weapon and run him with the squad, although i don't think you can deepstrike if you do that.

Guardian defenders should only take a scatter laser platform imo, bs3 doesn't work for anything else. Avengers are awesome, the dual catapult/bladestorm usually being the way to go.

Dragons struggle more than any other eldar unit without a transport, they just have a huge target painted on them. If you put anything in a serpent or falcon, make it these guys.

I'd agree with you on the starter box, one walker or 5 avengers won't get you far, and nobody puts guardian defenders in a serpent.

My absolute favorite unit is striking scorpions, they've single handedly won me games by outflanking into devastators or guardsmen hanging out in the backfield.

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Re: Thinking about getting a small Eldar starter army

Postby madvitale » Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:56 am

I agree mostly with what AutarchDan came up with. A lot depends on whether you want to go with a 'shooty' or 'fast', or 'close combat' army. The 'close combat' eldar army is the most difficult to come up with, as it's kinda anti-Eldar, philosophically. Main assets are speed, advanced weaponry, getting to hit first. All of the above requires correct use of Eldar warp powers, so I would recommend a basic Farseer. He/she is a relatively cheap HQ choice, and you can load him/her up with the 'stones for using two powers per turn. Doom and some other choice like Guide or E-storm, depending on what group you put him/her with is usually fun. For Heavy Support, at the beginning, a Walker group of 2, with lots of Scatter Lasers under Guide from the Farseer can be a ton of dice vs troops, and even vs some light vehicles.
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Re: Thinking about getting a small Eldar starter army

Postby madvitale » Fri Apr 01, 2011 12:06 pm

Oh, yeah, forgot....biggest argument vs a 'close combat' Eldar army.....they are pretty whimpy when it comes to CC with a strength 3. And most of the time, their armor saves are not always the best. Without some sort of weapon or power boost, wounds may be a bit hard to come by in CC. Scorpions are good for the STR, but not so much the power weapons. Banshees work well there, but my personal fav is Harlequins. They get high marks for not getting hit on the way in, going first most often, high numbers of hits, and decent wounding capability with the Harley Kiss weapon. Oh, yeah, they get Hit and Run, too.
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Re: Thinking about getting a small Eldar starter army

Postby AutarchDan » Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:27 pm

Also, if you are looking at guardians then i'd suggest getting a warlock. more and more i find them key to accomplishing anything with guardians.

Guardian Defenders like to sit on objectives and take pot shots with their scatter laser all game. But with T3, Ld 8 and a 5+ save it's not hard for your opponent to get them to run. But with embolden giving the ld reroll they get sturdier, and the witchblade can deter people from assaulting (specifically dreads/MC's)

Storm Guardians with 2 flammers and a destructor warlock clear infantry out of cover like nobody's business. Or give the guardians fusion guns and the warlock a spear and you have a cheap tank hunter.

The enhance and conceal powers seem ok, though those are more for seer councils and wraithguard (respectively). Guardians assualting or not in cover/transports are probably going to die with or without those powers.

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Re: Thinking about getting a small Eldar starter army

Postby Krymson86 » Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:13 pm

Thanks for the advice guys. And yeah AutarchDan, I was thinking the Fire Dragons would probably be the only unit in my army (at first) that would have a Wave Serpent.

I'm thinking of going down the shooting road with the Eldar, primarily because aside from some of their specialist units, I don't see a whole lot of real CC threats from them and their saves are pretty terrible for Guardians.

Looking over the codex, yeah, I'm going to agree that a semi-decked out Autarch would be better than Baharroth at such a low points game.

What are your opinions of Wraithguard?
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Re: Thinking about getting a small Eldar starter army

Postby madvitale » Fri Apr 01, 2011 10:32 pm

You don't see too many Wraithguard on the tabletop. They cost a lot, and need a Warlock for the whole 'Wraithsite' thing, and an AP3 weapon gives 'em no save. Only one base attack in CC. And they are $15 a model, to boot. If they were a tad cheaper, both in $$ and game terms, or if they tweaked them for either survivability or CC a bit, you would see a lot more of them. 10 of these and a Warlock w/Conceal and a Spear cost 393 points! You can get a whole lot o' shooty for that.
In a higher point game, it might be worth it, if you could put a few in a Wave Serpent. Popping 5 of these babies out of the back of a WS on some small unit of specialists or a Mon Creature with no Invun could be pretty nasty with those Wraithcannon (AP 2, Instant Death on a wound roll of 6).
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Re: Thinking about getting a small Eldar starter army

Postby Krymson86 » Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:50 pm

MadVitale, yeah, I was looking at the actual monetary cost of the Wraithguard as being their biggest drawback. I mean 393 points for a pretty Death Star-ed up unit isn't that terrible in a larger points game. But getting 10 Wraithguard models would cost $150ish which is a lot. Again, though, the ability to take them as a troops choice and the always wounding on a 2+, instant death on a 6 and glance on a 3/4, pen on a 5/6 is tough to just scoff at.

I don't know if Wraithguard will be in my army from the start, but I definitely think I'll pick up some eventually. This is a unit I think I'll have to look to ebay or something to pick up, because buying them new just seems super expensive.

Thanks a lot for the help guys. I'm going to start writing out lists and possibly play a few games as "Eldar" by proxying my marines as them,lol.
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