So Chaos looks to be getting 2 new Codex: Legions and Renegades. I will be amped for Legions myself. The first army I ever had interest in starting were the Night Lords, until I saw the helmets. Too silly for me, and before I had ever heard of conversions. When I did finally learn of conversions and googled it, I found Orks and got lost. I'm going to try and get back on the path again, and lovingly convert up a Night Lords army. This means all my other stuff will go to the wayside as I build and paint one figure at a time. Might take a while, but whatever. I'm not going anywhere, all I've been doing is modeling (and recently playing Skyrim).
I also have a huge all FW Nurgle army that I've never been able to find a proper paint scheme for that made me happy. They can sit in their box for a while longer
So, here are the rumors I've found thus far for those interested directly taken from Dakka Dakka courtesy of kroothawk.
I've seen threads on the topic on Warseer and Heresy Online, but haven't seen it mentioned on Dakka yet (apologies if this has already been covered)
Original Warseer thread: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5893366#post5893366
Heresy Online thread: http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?t=101010
Courtesy to Ghost21 on Warseer
Compiled by by MaidenManiac on Heresy Online:-i really really shouldnt but, ive only seen a dreadnaught of the two mentioned (regarding a previous report of new plastic Chaos Dread and Raptors)
-To quickly add. will lesser chaos gods feture. yes n all of the fallen legions will be there
-saw preliminary types for khonate chrono gladiators... and a really bizarre night lord assassin type thing...
-oh im sure if people want a new abaddon.. i saw one but really it isnt much...
-little horus on the other hand... now there's a wow figure
-there was a little heated discussion weather alpha legion should be in this or the traitors dex... there in the legion dex
-the new abaddon as really it just seems bigger n bulkier, like somebody 3d scanned it n made him larger
-the minor chaos gods are already named, its like marks though, no daemons
-i did see a dark mechanicus guy... not sure if he will make it though, a very creepy sculpt based on a john Blanche piece
-this is really something to be taken with a grain of salt there may may be a 30k boxed set at some point, containing one of each of the legions
And make of this what you will:-oh one last thing its ward
However, there is a conflicting (and perhaps more reliable) rumour on BnC:
[quote=Castiel]About Matt Ward... I don't think he's involved. Why?
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/inde ... pic=239188
Hello all, I just thought I’d share my sort-of discussions regarding a future Chaos Codex with two members of the development team at yesterday’s Games Day ‘event’.
Basically, I spoke to Jervis Johnson (head designer, apparently) and Matt Ward (yeah, I know, I know…). Now, I could have ranted at them with four years of hatred towards our lack-lustre Codex, but I thought it would be more productive (and less antagonistic) if I approached them with a friendly smile (well, what pass as one from me ) and my own personal thoughts/desires on our next Codex.
In a nutshell, more options regarding things like vehicles, specifically variants of Rhinos and Land Raiders – I said that the reasons for restricting the loyalist Marines with what they can do to theirs don’t apply to Chaos (we don’t have angry Tech Priests after us), so if we want to, say, put Assault Ramps on our Rhinos, there’s no one to stop us!
I also tried to get across that Chaos Marine armies (whether you go for Renegades or Legions) can broadly fit in to two approaches which could shape the development of this Codex – firstly the ‘Black Crusade’, which is about throwing the full force of what your army/legion does best till you opponent has nothing standing (I guess this could include your World Eaters Berzerker assault force, or an Iron Warriors siege force, or the relentless march of the Death Guard). The second approach is the Cultist/Ambush/Terror approach – the one where you don’t have the resources for a full scale invasion, but you’ve already sent your agents (be they infiltrating Marines or Cultists) to defeat your enemy before they’ve even realised they’re at war – assassinating commanders, sabotaging and destroying tanks, that sort of thing (obviously, this is your Night Lords, Alpha Legion, perhaps Word Bearers army). Either way, whichever approach should still allow themed, or Legion based lists, if that’s what Chaos players wanted
In my conversations with both Jervis and Matt, I started off saying that I’d like to see Special Characters that add army wide abilities, which got very strong nods of understanding from both of them. The problem I immediately hit was that they both pretty much said that they’re not going to be involved with the development of Chaos Marines; Jervis said that he would pass on my comments thought (whether he does is another thing!).
You may find Matt Ward’s response more interesting: he basically said blatantly that he was not going to be working on Chaos. Yes, that’s right, you can all breathe a sigh of relief! Then, more interestingly, he looked around for the other member of the team at Games Day, who was absent every time I went to the developers’ area, but would have liked to speak to – a certain Mr Phil Kelly. Now, (cue wild speculation) judging by this, I got the strong impression that Phil Kelly is likely to be involved in the development – perhaps even writing it?
That was the only serious nugget that I found of comfort from Jervis or Matt Ward to be honest. They both talked about there being a lot of potential with Chaos Marines that a future codex could build upon. Matt Ward went further, basically saying in so many words that he realised the Chaos codex is disliked and that it didn’t really achieve what the later, more recent Codices have. He also said that the Codices from Space Wolves onwards should give more of the shape of a Chaos Marine Codex, in terms of increased amount of options. Hopefully, like some Codices, that means under-priced/over powered (delete as appropriate ) units like these other ones, too He also said about the current Chaos Codex that it offers a good basis from which to start developing a new one. Not sure I agree with him, but I’m hoping he means that it is something that can be expanded and improved upon, rather than just recycling it…
So, I had gone to Games Day with the intention of getting in to a really intense discussion about giving Chaos a codex of which it is worthy. I think I didn’t really speak to the right people for that (if only I’d have been able to find Phil Kelly!), so I think ultimately I got some insubstantial platitudes. I was heartened that a) Matt Ward won’t be writing the next Chaos Codex, and b ) there was the suggestion that Phil Kelly is at the very least going to be involved in the development of our next codex.
Some more tidbits by Ghost21:
To quickly add. will lesser chaos gods feture. yes
n all of the fallen legions will be there
On the 6th edition starter set:
if you want plastic plague bearers .. wait for the 6th ed starter
Thank you for this rumour! Now that should mean that they are either summonable for a CSM army, or that there will be chaos daemons in the starter set. In that case I assume they will have to rewrite the list extensively, I can't see a starter army where one player doesn't even deploy on the table...
or have the scenario on some kind of daemon infested world.... [/quote]
It was also mentioned somewhere in the Warseer thread that apparently Chaos Renegades will get a White Dwarf update but will have full codex later, focusing more on Traitor Guard/LaTD than Marines.
On the Release Schedule
There is also a rumoured release schedule stating that Tau will be the next codex, before Chaos egions in mid 2012, found here: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2011/10/chaos-legions-codex-set-to-arrive.html
Just to set this next rumor up, the current rumor mill places next years releases like this....
Tau Q1, probably after Vampire Counts in January
Chaos Legions Mid Year
Eldar Towards the end of the year.
I sometimes get rumors sent to me, and this is one of them. I removed the sources name, and how and who the information was recieved from. Even the rumor declares taking it with a lot of salt, so please do so.
I had a chance to get information straight from a codex designer.
Chaos legions will be out in January or February dependant on necron sales, however it will probably be January. I don't know whether he was messing with me or not, so read and apply a lot of salt. He was straight with me about necrons being released in November. Chaos Legions are being taken back to their roots from the Horus Heresy, and it was a bit late due to the re-design of the fluff to fit in with 6ed.
Chaos seems to be coming out around the new 40k rule book, which is rumoured for release next summer.
I believe someone started a rumour a couple of months ago, cannot remember who, stating that chaos would be the first (hardback???) release for the new rulebook.
The starter set(s) are Chaos and Dark Angels; this was the original rumour; however, this was quickly trashed by saying that Dark Angels would NOT be in the starter set. Chaos does seem to be there though.
Apparently Imperial Guard renegade armies will be a part of the Chaos release.
the first thing i have to say is that there are 2 chaos books planed
one more renagade based the other legion based the legion one will be that, dudes who are 10000 years old kicking ass n taking names
there "may" be a inquisitor whos gone bad but really expect new guys in the renegade one
its lost and the damned influenced... but it has other options....
also 2012??...maybe at a push
Okay, time to end the what-ifs:
There will be 3 Chaos dexes as far as I'm aware: Legions, Renegades and Daemons
Now Daemons will appear in the Legion Codex but not those awful lesser things they are now. I'm not sure about greater daemons. However, if you are doing a Legion list, it's based on "Black legion(or the generic list)" or one of the others.
Whats there ? Lots!
World Eaters with bolt guns you say? Yeah, they're there.
Expect very powerful characters here (they are 10 Milena old). My favorite is the overpowered red angel: Now he IS angry!
I'll do the others, if people wish.
Not that Red Angel, I'm talking about the floating chained up (and presumably daemon possessed) Red Angel from the Horus Heresy artwork.
There's a link to him here.
thats the fella
I assume the Red Corsairs will figure prominently in the Renegade book? Will they try and give Renegade chapters more "codex/loyalist" gear?
Not exactly. As I understand, it's a LATD list first and foremost.
Traitor generals, guard, SOME marines, mutants, cults etc.
I shouldn't but....
Okay, true they have stagnated, but do you think they sit about drinking beer and catching rays?
No, they constantly fight, so I think they are sharp if not sharper than most Marines
Knowing what I know.. and I don't like angry marines because they are angry... but they've expanded beyond that khorne wants skulls true, he wants blood equally true, but the path of devotion doesnt make them all frothing loonies. Khan is an enigma, a one off, if they were all like him, well he'd be the last.
I have to say I'm excited for chaos, there is allot allot of inspiration from the 3.5 dex, with warsmiths, dark apostles and the alpha legion rules. Well, lets say they have a dual command structure
[/quote][/quote]I know a lot of you have questions about individual units and legions. I'll try to address them all, however there are limits on how much I can get away with.
I'll say this: there are havoc's for marked legions.
Though each legion will get something unique to them, from force organization to individual units to HQs, for example Night Lords and World Eaters can only have 1 heavy support but get other boni.
Remember Huron has quite decent kit, so expect something like a 2nd ed list for him. Also, in some ways picking a legion will restrict you, there are a lot of chaos characters already in fluff so expect most to return ... plus a few new faces.
Who's the star of the show, huh? Now, that is something, I'll hold onto for a while.